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on Jul 23, 2013
Tasers? Surveillance cameras on our streets? Automated license plate readers? Government spying on innocent residents going about their business in our quiet little suburb?
Sounds more like East Germany under the Stasi.
Remember our Constitutional protections, and what they were intended to protect us from, i.e. tyrannical government!
Yes to redlight cameras. If the threat of an expensive ticket is what it takes to keep late left-turners in check, I'm all for them. At least half the time I'm on El Camino, waiting for a green light to go straight, once I get a green, at least 2 but usually 3 & occasionally 4 cars, run their light & make left turns across my bow. Annoying but more importantly, dangerous.
Funny how the hypocrites don't want redlight cameras, but want license plate readers, drones with the ability to see in your backyards and windows, and other forms of intrusive surveillance. Where do they draw the line? At drones with see-thru-wall vision? Justify the hypocrisy.
Right to privacy IN OUR PERSONS.
I also share the concern for privacy within our fair city. Are these license readers and four additional cameras really needed? I thought the existing camera evidence was not conclusive that they really were helping our traffic situation. If not, please do not add more--or remove existing cameras from intersections which haven't made a significant difference in accidents and maybe have 2 or 3 total in town, placed at strategic intersections where there has been an accident problem. Please don't make the opportunity for additional city revenue the determining factor.
Kathy - if you read the other forum, you will see a certain prolific poster tell everyone we need our privacy invaded at every opportunity because of all the library bombings in Menlo Park ('but if someone dropped off a bomb at the library') Web Link see Jul 18, 2013 at 1:33 pm
No lie. I couldn't make it up if I tried. That was his reason.
Followed by another [portion deleted] who said he's willing to give up everyone's civil rights because he thinks he isn't doing anything wrong.
Can you believe it?
The City Council and Menlo Park PD should reach out to privacy organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation for their input into reasonable data retention policies. It's not easy to stuff the genie back in the bottle once released.
Here's a fun article re red light cameras & struggles in dealing w/them. Web Link
Yet another reason to eliminate red light cameras:
But more important: "Rear-end accidents increase significantly because people come to a screeching halt," Hayward Police Chief Diane Urban said to TheNewspaper.com. "There's no proven correlation between red-light camera systems and consistently decreasing crashes." Rear-end collisions increased in most intersections with red-light cameras, although alternatives to cameras—such as increasing the duration of yellow lights by 0.2 to 0.3 seconds on some intersections—have reduced both crashes as well as the number of automated tickets.
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Funny thing about those that think bi intrusive governments get to get away with all this - they never offer an explanation of what is "too much".
Is it too much if the government points a camera from the street, points it onto your 'property'? Drones flying overhead and recording everything, including your back yard? Wall piercing vision devices on a drone?
If you think massive collection and storage of license plate data is okay, then please tell me where you draw the line.
Pending your rational answer, I'll stick with the ACLU.
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