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Firefighters duck gunfire in East Palo Alto

Original post made on Dec 17, 2012

Firefighters returning to their East Palo Alto station ran for cover after two rival gangs engaged in a gun battle in front of their quarters about two weeks ago, Menlo Park Fire Protection District officials confirmed Friday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:15 AM

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Posted by Charge the Parents
a resident of another community
on Dec 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

I would like to start a discussion to hear what others think about holding the parents of gang members (17 and younger) responsible for any and all crimes their gang-involved kid(s) commit or participate in, and if the gang member receives ANY support from the parent(s), then the age of the gang member doesn't matter. By support I mean money, housing (including use of the parent's mailing address to list as their resudence), food, clothing, childcare and anything else that contributes or enables their kid(s) to participate in gang activity in any form. Here's why: Parents have a responsibility to everyone to raise a law abiding, responsible, and productive member of society, and they should know what their child is involved in. It doesn't matter if the parent(s) are educated or not, work 5 jobs or not, are raising their kid(s) alone or not. If a person decides to have a child you should be forced to accept the consequences that come with that responsibility. Gangs recruit kids and teenagers, and no one can convince me that the parents are completely oblivious to their child's involvement, and if they are oblivious or don't care about it, then they are just as guilty as their child committing the crime because they should know.
Why do we hold bar owners responsible when their bartender continues to serve an intoxicated person who later leaves that bar and causes a collision, but not the parent(s) of a gang member who continuously enables their child's participation in the gang by turning a blind eye to it and allowing it to continue? Forbid it, move your family away from it, do whatever it takes or kick your child out and cease communication with them, because doing nothing about it IS a CHOICE. it's a choice to be an enabler, to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Dec 17, 2012 at 3:08 pm

Parents are civily responsible for the damages their minor children cause. The problem is the parents are pretty much lawsuit proof because typically they don't have a pot to pee in. It's like trying to get blood from a stone.

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Posted by SteveC
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Dec 17, 2012 at 5:59 pm

SteveC is a registered user.

Menlo Voter forgot the window to throw the pee out. AND often times the parents are gang members also or embrase the gang mentality or do not give a damn abou the kids and it is the gang that gives them the sense of a family and loyality.

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Posted by Bob
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Dec 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm

While I think your thread about gangs and the parents' responsibility has some merit, I thought this was a story about fire fighters and their safety.

I'm glad the fire district and the officials who were instrumental in having safety features in the old and soon to be built new station insisted on them.

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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Dec 17, 2012 at 8:42 pm

Bob: it's truly sad that protective measures like bullet proof glass need to even be incorporated into a fire house.

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Posted by Bob
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Dec 17, 2012 at 10:28 pm

Menlo Voter -- I agree. In order to keep first responders safe, measures like this are necessary. However, occurrences, like the ones mentioned in the article, occur much less often than 10-20 years ago when EPA had a much worse reputation.

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Posted by tired of it
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Jan 29, 2013 at 3:16 pm

there is no defense, no actual reason, some people have lost value for all human life.. the only "answers" to the problem are responsible role-modeling, heightened personal awareness of the enviornment and doing what we can to help ourselves and our loved ones.. the greaest opportunities for change lie within the individual, bad choices are the culprit and some people simply choose is sad but true, model responsible behaviors and make productive and wise choices, maybe somebody is watching you!too many people came up under as bad or worse enviornments and have worked their way into productive, healthy lives...nope, no actual defenses or justifications are available - support those who really are making sound decisions, they too are often ignored!!Invest in those who who invest in themselves, that sends a positive message...

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