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Noisy pool heaters force Menlo Park council to confront its own rules on ditching gas-powered appliances

New community center's pool heaters are environmentally friendly electric, but too loud for city's nighttime decibellimits

From left: Belle Haven resident Rose Bickerstaff, Zakye Waller and Menlo Park councilwoman Cecilia Taylor shovel dirt to signal the start of construction on Menlo Park's new community center in Belle Haven, funded by Meta (formerly Facebook). Courtesy Meta.

Residents of Belle Haven are no strangers to noise pollution, but the Menlo Park City Council is taking steps to bring the noise down, starting by denying the Menlo Park Community Campus the ability to exceed nighttime noise regulations of 50 decibels.

The council unanimously upheld the denial of a permit to exceed nighttime noise levels caused by the use of electric heat pumps at its May 23 meeting.

Construction of the pool at the Menlo Park Community Campus (MPCC) in the 100 block of Terminal Avenue was approved in 2021 and the City Council decided that its facilities would be all-electric. But there was a problem: the sound of the electric heat pumps for the pool are expected to exceed nighttime noise limits. On April 24, the Planning Commission denied an application for the MPCC to exceed the nighttime noise limit of 50 decibels, but the City Council had the option to overrule that denial.

Residents came out to the City Council meeting with concerns about the effect of the noise pollution on the surrounding Belle Haven neighborhood, particularly since the area is already impacted by high noise levels from sources such as the U.S. 101 freeway and a PG&E substation.

“We take an issue with how the project has marginalized and dismissed our community,” Belle Haven resident Donald Mendoza said, who spoke from a Zoom account under the name “Belle Haven Library.” "The project has treated the Belle Haven community as kind of an afterthought.”

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One proposed solution would be to build a 7-foot high wooden fence with a vinyl inner layer to mitigate the noise levels, bringing the noise down to 49 decibels, just beneath the limit, for the nearest homes. The fence would cost the city about $200,000 and be built along the residential property line, past the PG&E substation.

Combs asked about how the city's regulations limited noise and also banning new gas-powered pool heaters could affect residents, when the city itself is having difficulty doing it.

“I always say the government should … impose a rule on itself, and go through that whole process before it imposes a rule on residents,” Combs said.

An electric water heat pump inside an all-electric barn in Woodside on March 30, 2023. Photo by Magali Gauthier.

Combs said he was looking to the City Council and himself for not seeing the problem earlier, after the money had already been spent on the machinery.

“In theory, we didn't exercise a similar restriction or limitation (on noise levels) for ourselves with our own heating equipment, which is, again, why we're here,” Combs said.

Building another sound wall along Highway 101 from Marsh Road to Willow Road is also under discussion, and the City Council recommended that city staff pursue the project, which would be done in conjunction with Caltrans. Combs requested that the city look into extending the wall project farther so that it protects most of the residences along the highway.

The City Council opted to move forward with both the noise-muffling wooden wall for the pool heater, and uphold the denial of a permit for the pool heaters to exceed the nighttime noise limit, meaning the facility will not be allowed to run the heaters overnight, on a unanimous vote. The council also gave direction to staff that they should pursue the highway sound wall in upcoming budget discussions.

“Even if we're just at 50 decibels or 49 decibels, (residents) are having a lot of impact from noise,” Mayor Jen Wolosin said.

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Noisy pool heaters force Menlo Park council to confront its own rules on ditching gas-powered appliances

New community center's pool heaters are environmentally friendly electric, but too loud for city's nighttime decibellimits

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Uploaded: Thu, Jun 1, 2023, 11:25 am

Residents of Belle Haven are no strangers to noise pollution, but the Menlo Park City Council is taking steps to bring the noise down, starting by denying the Menlo Park Community Campus the ability to exceed nighttime noise regulations of 50 decibels.

The council unanimously upheld the denial of a permit to exceed nighttime noise levels caused by the use of electric heat pumps at its May 23 meeting.

Construction of the pool at the Menlo Park Community Campus (MPCC) in the 100 block of Terminal Avenue was approved in 2021 and the City Council decided that its facilities would be all-electric. But there was a problem: the sound of the electric heat pumps for the pool are expected to exceed nighttime noise limits. On April 24, the Planning Commission denied an application for the MPCC to exceed the nighttime noise limit of 50 decibels, but the City Council had the option to overrule that denial.

Residents came out to the City Council meeting with concerns about the effect of the noise pollution on the surrounding Belle Haven neighborhood, particularly since the area is already impacted by high noise levels from sources such as the U.S. 101 freeway and a PG&E substation.

“We take an issue with how the project has marginalized and dismissed our community,” Belle Haven resident Donald Mendoza said, who spoke from a Zoom account under the name “Belle Haven Library.” "The project has treated the Belle Haven community as kind of an afterthought.”

One proposed solution would be to build a 7-foot high wooden fence with a vinyl inner layer to mitigate the noise levels, bringing the noise down to 49 decibels, just beneath the limit, for the nearest homes. The fence would cost the city about $200,000 and be built along the residential property line, past the PG&E substation.

Combs asked about how the city's regulations limited noise and also banning new gas-powered pool heaters could affect residents, when the city itself is having difficulty doing it.

“I always say the government should … impose a rule on itself, and go through that whole process before it imposes a rule on residents,” Combs said.

Combs said he was looking to the City Council and himself for not seeing the problem earlier, after the money had already been spent on the machinery.

“In theory, we didn't exercise a similar restriction or limitation (on noise levels) for ourselves with our own heating equipment, which is, again, why we're here,” Combs said.

Building another sound wall along Highway 101 from Marsh Road to Willow Road is also under discussion, and the City Council recommended that city staff pursue the project, which would be done in conjunction with Caltrans. Combs requested that the city look into extending the wall project farther so that it protects most of the residences along the highway.

The City Council opted to move forward with both the noise-muffling wooden wall for the pool heater, and uphold the denial of a permit for the pool heaters to exceed the nighttime noise limit, meaning the facility will not be allowed to run the heaters overnight, on a unanimous vote. The council also gave direction to staff that they should pursue the highway sound wall in upcoming budget discussions.

“Even if we're just at 50 decibels or 49 decibels, (residents) are having a lot of impact from noise,” Mayor Jen Wolosin said.

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CyberVoter
Registered user
Menlo Park: other
on Jun 2, 2023 at 11:55 am
CyberVoter, Menlo Park: other
Registered user
on Jun 2, 2023 at 11:55 am

What! Please do not tell me that"Electric Everything" isn't a "Silver Bullet" or panacea!

Perhaps we should "think" and do more "unbiased" research on All Electric with NO backup before it is TOO LATE!


Joseph E. Davis
Registered user
Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Jun 2, 2023 at 12:41 pm
Joseph E. Davis, Woodside: Emerald Hills
Registered user
on Jun 2, 2023 at 12:41 pm

I am stunned and shocked that electrification is not a dramatic improvement along every conceivable dimension. I was sure this must be the case given our wise leadership's decision to mandate it for everyone. Surely they must have considered the relevant tradeoffs.


Ole Agesen
Registered user
Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Jun 2, 2023 at 2:32 pm
Ole Agesen, Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
Registered user
on Jun 2, 2023 at 2:32 pm

Let's not give up on heat pump and solar water heaters. The noise level can be reduced by redesigning the system.

Then we can go to the pool without the risk of breathing asthma-inducing NOx or cancer-causing benzene emitted by yesterday's gas water heating technology..


Menlo Voter.
Registered user
Menlo Park: other
on Jun 2, 2023 at 9:12 pm
Menlo Voter., Menlo Park: other
Registered user
on Jun 2, 2023 at 9:12 pm

Ole:

When properly vented you won't be breathing any of those things. Electric everything is not an answer, especially when we have an electric grid that barely handles the demand it has on it now.


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