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Atherton to work with Caltrain to resolve train horn noise problem

Study found Caltrain engineers violating Fair Oaks quiet zone 20 percent of the time

Angry and frustrated after a recent report showed Caltrain is repeatedly violating Atherton's quite zone, City Council members said they'll work with Caltrain to resolve the problem before going to federal officials to ask for enforcement.

The City Council discussed a report by acoustical engineers Edward L. Pack Associates of San Jose at its Dec. 7 meeting. The report shows 19 of 92 southbound trains, or just under 21 percent, blowing their horns near recording equipment set up by the consultants in the quiet zone over two days.

The quiet zone, imposed by the town in June, limits Caltrain engineers from sounding their train horns within a quarter-mile of the Fair Oaks Lane railroad crossing except in an emergency. Caltrain and the town don't agree on whether the horns can be sounded in front of the Atherton train station, south of the crossing, but the consultant hired by the town to document quiet zone violations set up sound-recording equipment a little less than a quarter-mile north of the crossing where all agree sounding the horn is not allowed.

The consultant's report also says northbound trains sounded their horns near the recording equipment three times during the two days. "This is a curious scenario as there would be no reason for a northbound train to sound its horn since it had already passed through the Fair Oaks crossing and it is approximately 1.73 miles from Fair Oaks to the Chestnut Street crossing in Redwood City, which is the next grade crossing," the report says.

"I think there is a disturbing amount of horn blasting north of Fair Oaks," said council member Rick DeGolia. Because the report showed the same trains sounding their horns in the quiet zone multiple times, "there may well be certain engineers who are intentionally ignoring this quiet zone," he said.

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"I think the right way to do it, initially is go to Caltrain," Mr. DeGolia said. However, he said "if we don't get these horns to stop blowing" in January the town should go to the Federal Rail Administration "and go as far up as we need to go to get these rules enforced."

All the council members agreed they should work with Caltrain, despite the fact that earlier in the day, the Caltrain engineers' supervisor had told a town official that Caltrain does not believe a quiet zone exists.

"We need to give them time to take corrective action," said council member Bill Widmer. "We should ask them for a status report."

"Let's find out if the agree or disagree with us," said Mayor Mike Lempres, and "why they're blowing their horn."

On Friday, Dec. 9, Caltrain spokesman Will Reisman said "Caltrain does acknowledge that the quiet zone exists."

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He said that Caltrain had monitored the engineers' compliance with the quiet zone, and they would continue to do so. Caltrain "will determine if the pattern of violations identified by Atherton is a result of the City’s interpretation of the rules, or if they are violations as determined by Caltrain. If they are violations as determined by Caltrain, steps will be taken to address them," he said.

Regulations say that violations of rules about where and how a train horn can sound can result in a fine of $1,000 for an accidental violation or $2,000 for a "willful" violation.

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Atherton to work with Caltrain to resolve train horn noise problem

Study found Caltrain engineers violating Fair Oaks quiet zone 20 percent of the time

by / Almanac

Uploaded: Fri, Dec 9, 2016, 1:49 pm
Updated: Mon, Dec 12, 2016, 8:11 am

Angry and frustrated after a recent report showed Caltrain is repeatedly violating Atherton's quite zone, City Council members said they'll work with Caltrain to resolve the problem before going to federal officials to ask for enforcement.

The City Council discussed a report by acoustical engineers Edward L. Pack Associates of San Jose at its Dec. 7 meeting. The report shows 19 of 92 southbound trains, or just under 21 percent, blowing their horns near recording equipment set up by the consultants in the quiet zone over two days.

The quiet zone, imposed by the town in June, limits Caltrain engineers from sounding their train horns within a quarter-mile of the Fair Oaks Lane railroad crossing except in an emergency. Caltrain and the town don't agree on whether the horns can be sounded in front of the Atherton train station, south of the crossing, but the consultant hired by the town to document quiet zone violations set up sound-recording equipment a little less than a quarter-mile north of the crossing where all agree sounding the horn is not allowed.

The consultant's report also says northbound trains sounded their horns near the recording equipment three times during the two days. "This is a curious scenario as there would be no reason for a northbound train to sound its horn since it had already passed through the Fair Oaks crossing and it is approximately 1.73 miles from Fair Oaks to the Chestnut Street crossing in Redwood City, which is the next grade crossing," the report says.

"I think there is a disturbing amount of horn blasting north of Fair Oaks," said council member Rick DeGolia. Because the report showed the same trains sounding their horns in the quiet zone multiple times, "there may well be certain engineers who are intentionally ignoring this quiet zone," he said.

"I think the right way to do it, initially is go to Caltrain," Mr. DeGolia said. However, he said "if we don't get these horns to stop blowing" in January the town should go to the Federal Rail Administration "and go as far up as we need to go to get these rules enforced."

All the council members agreed they should work with Caltrain, despite the fact that earlier in the day, the Caltrain engineers' supervisor had told a town official that Caltrain does not believe a quiet zone exists.

"We need to give them time to take corrective action," said council member Bill Widmer. "We should ask them for a status report."

"Let's find out if the agree or disagree with us," said Mayor Mike Lempres, and "why they're blowing their horn."

On Friday, Dec. 9, Caltrain spokesman Will Reisman said "Caltrain does acknowledge that the quiet zone exists."

He said that Caltrain had monitored the engineers' compliance with the quiet zone, and they would continue to do so. Caltrain "will determine if the pattern of violations identified by Atherton is a result of the City’s interpretation of the rules, or if they are violations as determined by Caltrain. If they are violations as determined by Caltrain, steps will be taken to address them," he said.

Regulations say that violations of rules about where and how a train horn can sound can result in a fine of $1,000 for an accidental violation or $2,000 for a "willful" violation.

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Comments

relentlesscactus
another community
on Dec 11, 2016 at 2:06 pm
relentlesscactus, another community
on Dec 11, 2016 at 2:06 pm
7 people like this

Quiet zones are dangerous. If someone is killed, the blood is on your hands, Atherton. All so you can quiet horns that have always been there. Plenty of communities without trains - move there if it's that important to you. San Clemente wants the state to spend billions to move the trains off the beach. Taxpayer dollars for private gain. Rich hypocrites.


Menlo Voter.
Registered user
Menlo Park: other
on Dec 11, 2016 at 6:03 pm
Menlo Voter., Menlo Park: other
Registered user
on Dec 11, 2016 at 6:03 pm
10 people like this

What part of there's a train running through the middle of your town? What don't you understand about trains need to sound their horns? Seriously, are you so entitled that you think the trains should comply with your wishes along with aircraft flying overhead? Get real and get a life. The world doesn't revolve around you.


Resident
Atherton: other
on Dec 11, 2016 at 10:29 pm
Resident, Atherton: other
on Dec 11, 2016 at 10:29 pm
10 people like this

Quiet zones are safe. It is not Atherton saying this, but the federal government who had expert safety engineers create this policy.

The reason why is that additional safety measures have been added to these specific rail crossings that eliminate the need for the train horn.


IMHO
Atherton: other
on Dec 12, 2016 at 6:32 am
IMHO, Atherton: other
on Dec 12, 2016 at 6:32 am
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Some engineers are complying, others are deliberately using the horn.
There is likely tension between regulation, policy, past court decisions, and training which lead to this inconsistent behavior. I suspect liability is at the heart of this issue.
Is the engineer financially exposed (lawsuit, fine, adverse action) if they fail to sound the horn and they kill a pedestrian or vehicle occupant?


Bob
Menlo Park: Downtown
on Dec 12, 2016 at 7:29 am
Bob, Menlo Park: Downtown
on Dec 12, 2016 at 7:29 am
7 people like this

Atherton is not the suburbs; neither is Menlo Park nor Palo Alto nor Redwood City. These cities and towns come with the noise of being part of a metropolitan area -- you live near an airport, train tracks, and highway corridors. As the population grows on the Peninsula so does the noise. Atherton has tried to regulate air traffic and train noise, are the highways and El Camino next?


SteveC
Registered user
Menlo Park: Downtown
on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:48 pm
SteveC, Menlo Park: Downtown
Registered user
on Dec 12, 2016 at 3:48 pm
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I am surprised they haven't filed a law suit. The town in famious for law suits.


peninsula resident
Atherton: other
on Dec 12, 2016 at 6:39 pm
peninsula resident, Atherton: other
on Dec 12, 2016 at 6:39 pm
7 people like this

"Quiet zones are dangerous."

Quiet zones are *safe*. Quiet Zones require Supplemental Safety Measures (SSM) be in place, and are statistically proven to be *safer* than crossings without SSMs, according to the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA).

Quiet Zones are not unusual in other parts of the Bay Area. Would you care to voice your outrage for Quiet Zones in the rich enclave of Richmond, CA?


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