Town Square

Post a New Topic

Realtors: Facebook IPO is talk of the town

Original post made on Feb 8, 2012

UPDATE with correction: What will happen to the local real estate market when Facebook goes public?

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 4:11 PM

Comments (24)

Posted by Phil, a resident of Atherton: other
on Feb 8, 2012 at 12:20 pm

Some of the blighted areas which were selected for redevelopment in North Fair Oaks areas could benefit from the gentrification. It would take new homeowners with vision and realtors to show properties that have potential. Imagine living two blocks from Atherton without the heavy tax burden. Redwood city is still climate best by government test.


Posted by sara spang, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Feb 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm

I paricipated in the Facebook Charette last March, 2011, both as a Realtor and Member of the American Institute of Architects, (see the Almanac, March 9,2011). A highly talented and inspired team of architects and designers took a futuristic look at the new Facebook Menlo Park campus and surrounding residential, commercial and environmental community. The dreams and inspirations were captivating. I participated on the Yellow Team..a group of us interviewed the members of the Belle Haven community and set about designing homes to meet lifesyle, aesthetic and community committments. All be it these architectural dreams are in the future, there will be a current need for living space near the campus. Certainly not overbuilt mediterranean mansions, but higly innovative architectural rentals, townhomes. Menlo Park has a great future in the redesign of an already thriving community.


Posted by Phil, a resident of Atherton: other
on Feb 8, 2012 at 8:20 pm

But new high density condos and their ilk concentrate too many people and cars which will need a percentage for low income integration. Cleaning up single family dwellings...for single families is the best idea. Younger professionals are attracted to a better standard of living without CC&R's and constantly rising association fees. The houses are already there. Few condos have sustainable gardens for composting which single family homes have plenty of room. It has been proven too many tomato throwers will thwart Menlo's growth.


Posted by MP, a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Feb 8, 2012 at 9:06 pm

Readers & journalists, CHECK the FACTS!

I looked through the list vs. sale price records for PA during January on redfin, and there were just as many places that sold for under asking as over. Yes, there were a couple places that sold for $200k+ more than asking, but I also saw many that sold for $50k-200k UNDER asking.

Don't believe a word that a realtor tells you. They are stirring up the pot trying to create a feeding frenzy for their clients and make more commission.


I'm disgusted that the Almanac would help the trade again. Can I have free publicity and false statements to help my business too?


Posted by MP, a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Feb 8, 2012 at 9:11 pm

[Post removed. The Almanac made the mistake, not Mr. DeLeon. He gave us the correct numbers; they got jumbled in the note-taking.]


Posted by w patterson, a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Feb 9, 2012 at 8:21 am

Please read the front page of the Wall Street Journal. Today's paper dedicates two full pages of reporting on the impact of FaceBook on the local real estate market. Welcome to all the employee's of FaceBook. Your contribution to our community will be positive and spectacular A younger and talented demographic is most welcomed.


Posted by Central Menlo, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Feb 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm

Here's a link to the WSJ article...

Web Link


Posted by Middle Class Renter, a resident of Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Feb 9, 2012 at 12:27 pm

I'm sure this is all great news for homeowners looking to sell but it's awful news for those of us who live and work in Menlo Park, but aren't so financially blessed that we can afford to purchase a house. I am a renter whose rent has increased almost 15% in the last year with no signs of slowing. There have been no improvements to the property I rent and the property was paid off long ago according to public record, so I can only guess that the reason the owner continues to raise rents is because he can. There are no rent controls in place to protect us blue collar service workers who live and work in Menlo Park. Since Facebook moved in there are hardly any properties available for rent, and prices have increased dramatically in the last year.


Posted by Phil, a resident of Atherton: other
on Feb 9, 2012 at 3:03 pm

@ middle class renter. Perhaps it is time to look at the homes located in 'the block' of North fair oaks,a middle class neighborhood just of El Camino. There are bargains to be had and with some sweat equity would be better than making your landlord rich. You just wouldn't be living next to the 'beautiful people'.


Posted by Frugal, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Feb 9, 2012 at 4:35 pm

If I were a realtor anxious to earn $120,000 commission for a $2,000,000 sale and maybe do only 40 hours of work for that, I'd discourage sellers from asking top dollar. It makes selling a whole lot easier.


Posted by Don't make assumptions, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Feb 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm

Phil, I don't know who Middle Class Renter is, but given that neither of us know his/her situation, why would we want to try to advise him on where to live? Maybe he works close enough to his home to walk to work. Maybe he has children in a nearby school that they like and want to stay at. You're making assumptions about this person whose circumstances you can't possibly know.

Middle Class Renter is making a larger point and offering a valuable perspective that might not occur to many homeowners. Telling him to move away from the "beautiful people" is an amazingly flippant response. And it's one more assumption that serves to demean the poster.

And still another assumption: that MCR believes that rich people are "beautiful people." I don't know if he does or not, but I would be willing to bet he doesn't believe the landlord who is gouging him is beautiful.


Posted by Working Girl, a resident of Atherton: other
on Feb 9, 2012 at 6:53 pm

To Frugal's comment: There is almost always more than one real Estate agency involved in selling a home and then the fee is divided 4 ways two agents/two principals. Assuming they were to charge and be paid a 6% commission on a 2 million dollar home. That means the selling agent earns a $30,000. paycheck before taxes not $120,000.
Oh and...where Frugal gets the estimated 40 hours of work, I have no idea. Maybe he should give Real Estate Sales a try if its so easy.


Posted by w patterson, a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Feb 9, 2012 at 8:04 pm

Working girl needs to reconsider her math and assumptions. Most realtors get 80 percent of the house commission. Hence, the realtor for little work recieves some $48,000.00. Even if it is a lot of work placing signs in the street, it seems pretty generous for putting a buyer and seller together for a transaction. Contracts are drafted by the attorney's for the NAR to protect the Realtor. Sales is a great business, but hardly requires a genius to do the work.
Those legacy realtors will continue to reap the rewards, along with the children who now follow in their path. Kind of like a franchise.
Good choice if you are successful. Tough business nevertheless.


Posted by Cuts Like A Knife, a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Feb 9, 2012 at 8:23 pm

This article is simply another advertorial written by the Almanac to appease the Chamber of Commerce and its realtor constituents. The US has unimaginable debt and, in 2012, is likely to engage in hostilities with Iran, Syria or both. Such an event could cost home owners 5-10%, and if you overpaid for high density housing, it could cost you 20%.


Posted by Phil, a resident of Atherton: other
on Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm

@ Don't Make... "maybe" the word "perhaps" was overlooked. The response was to what was posted, with no presumption only suggestion to a 'woe is me'. Sharing ideas is part of the 1st Amendment, discouraging a suggestion resides in third world regimes. However, relating the word 'gouging' to a landlord charging fair market rates is THE obvious assumption. Maybe the increases of sewer, fire protection, school bonds and garbage rates was overlooked? There are viable alternative housing choices available in the local free market without the need for rent control or other authoritarian intervention. Tough neighborhoods take tough residents, but are a bargain.


Posted by Ethan, a resident of Menlo Park: University Heights
on Feb 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm

There goes the neighborhood.


Posted by IMHO, a resident of another community
on Feb 10, 2012 at 3:08 pm

Thank God, Face Book didn't open up on the Coastside. I feel so lucky living in a sparely populated community.


Posted by FIX THE ARTICLE, a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Feb 10, 2012 at 3:11 pm

I see the inaccurate statistic is still in the article:
"Palo Alto had 19 home sales last month, he said, with all selling for at least $200,000 over the listing price and three for more than $400,000 over."

I can check Redfin and see half a dozen places that sold for LESS than asking in PA last month.

Fix the article! Write the Truth.


Posted by Mom of 2, a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Feb 10, 2012 at 3:20 pm

I'm with Middle Class Renter. My husband and I have been renting, saving and investing for years while renting in Menlo Park and I thought we were finally in a position to buy when this latest bubble exploded. Bad timing I guess, but it is increasingly difficult to make the transition from renting to buying in Menlo Park or PA. Mediocre, small 3/2's or townhouses are not worth $1.5-2m regardless of how many facebook millionaires exist.

But in real estate, it only takes 1 (fool). Don't let that be you.


Posted by These comments are ugly, a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Feb 10, 2012 at 7:46 pm

Dear Facebook,
Please disregard the "ugly" comments above as they are generally not representative of the community as a whole. Our community is typically filled with open, welcoming, honest, hard-working, family-oriented, community-conscious, and sometimes colorful, citizens, but one look at this message board (here and elsewhere) and you might think otherwise. It's the lonely, angry, bitter, bored, uninformed, medicated and 'should-be-medicated' who you see here lurking, criticizing, applying flawed logic and making ignorant assumptions. It's a sad, but small, portion of the overall community. Maybe I'm wrong, but I, and my neighbors here in the Willows, welcome you to Menlo Park, regardless of whether you choose only to work here, or if you choose to work, live, shop and "post messages" here. Have a good night.
Cheers,
A happy, third-generation, resident


Posted by Scott Lohmann, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Feb 11, 2012 at 11:01 am

Thank you "third-generation, resident", I could not have said that better myself. History is in the making right now, we should feel very proud, excited and positive about Facebook's move to our fine city. An incredible forward thinking and society changing company! Thanks for taking over that 1M sq.ft. vacant building too!


Posted by Almanac staff, a resident of another community
on Feb 13, 2012 at 10:41 am

In response to the writer who believed the article contained incorrect information about January sales in Palo Alto, we asked broker Ken DeLeon to clarify the statements, which are correct.
Here is his clarification:

"For my statement I was talking about listings that have come on in January, not just sales that have closed in January, for the market really picked up in January 2012, whereas some that closed in Jan. were from last year.

"My statement was that 3 homes have sold for over $400,000 and the average jump for all homes that were listed in 2012 and have closed did well. Here are the 7 closed sales of this year from 2012 listings (ranked by amount sold over list price):

812 Lincoln list price is $1,599,000 and sales price is $2,086,000 ($487k over)

769 Rosewood list price is $1,050,000 and sales price is $1,515,000 ($465k over)

2928 Bryant list price is $1,098,000 and sales price is $1,523,000 ($425k over)

1136 Webster list price is $1,599,000 and sales price is $1,950,000 ($351k over)

185 Walter Hays list price is $1,398,000 and sales price is $1,655,000 ($257k over)

3258 Emerson list price is $1,798,000 and sales price is $2,000,000 ($202k over)

2340 Dartmouth list price is $2,798,000 and sales price is $2,850,000 ($52k over)

"There are several pending sales (hence the 19 sales at the time) that I know what they sold for but that information is not public yet so I cannot disclose that information yet as I was told the sales price by another Realtor in confidence. But I can tell you that the average amount of these homes going above list price is over $200,000.

"When I said homes are doing amazingly well in January I meant homes that came on in January, as you can see from the 7 that have closed thus far this year. But I meant homes that came on in Jan. 2012, not homes that sold in 2011 (slower market) and closed in January. The closed sales always lag what is really going on by a month if not more.

"Also, I said that on average homes are selling for more than $200,000 above list price, but not that all homes are selling for above $200,000 in list price. Note that of the 7 homes in PA that have closed this year, 6 of the 7 did sell for more than $200,000 above list price so almost a perfect record."


Posted by MP, a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Feb 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm

There are 12 single family homes with January Sold dates that show a sales price less than the List Price:

ADDRESS LAST SALE PRICE Dif from List
2030 PARK Blvd 1,400,000 (390,000)
554 KINGSLEY Ave 3,800,000 (200,000)
1220 HAMILTON Ave 2,035,000 (160,000)
1191 LAURELES Dr 1,170,000 (120,000)
959 OREGON Ave 1,199,000 (99,000)
1137 FOREST Ave 1,299,700 (98,300)
3170 ROSS Rd 1,515,000 (85,000)
3798 LAGUNA Ave 2,420,000 (78,000)
3726 CARLSON Cir 1,226,000 (62,000)
2220 BRYANT St 1,740,125 (54,875)
154 BRYANT St 2,700,000 (50,000)
434 FULTON St 950,000 (45,000)


So yes, if you are only looking at listing that came on in January and sold in January, your numbers may be different, but you are distorting the data. The article didn't say you were only looking at a portion of the January sales, so very misleading to buyers and sellers alike.

I still would rather the Almanac take 5 minutes to validate someones quotes rather than taking their word for it, and allowing them to put whatever spin that best serves their marketing needs.


Posted by PD, a resident of Woodside: other
on Feb 15, 2012 at 3:01 pm

I'm not sure where this person has received their information,
but every property on "MP"'s list closed escrow in either November or December of 2011 with the exception of the property on Laureles, which is located in Los Altos.


If you were a member and logged in you could track comments from this story.

Post a comment

Posting an item on Town Square is simple and requires no registration. Just complete this form and hit "submit" and your topic will appear online. Please be respectful and truthful in your postings so Town Square will continue to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing community information and opinion. All postings are subject to our TERMS OF USE, and may be deleted if deemed inappropriate by our staff.

We prefer that you use your real name, but you may use any "member" name you wish.

Name: *

Select your neighborhood or school community: * Not sure?

Comment: *

Verification code: *
Enter the verification code exactly as shown, using capital and lowercase letters, in the multi-colored box.

*Required Fields

On Tour at Selective Schools: Chapman, La Verne, Redlands, Whittier
By John Raftrey and Lori McCormick | 1 comment | 1,887 views

The dress code
By Jessica T | 17 comments | 1,761 views

. . . People will never forget how you made them feel.
By Chandrama Anderson | 0 comments | 1,145 views

Anglo Menlo Park
By Paul Bendix | 0 comments | 636 views

Council election, and then some.
By Stuart Soffer | 5 comments | 443 views