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Salon.com interview with Camille Paglia

Original post made by Salon.com Reader, Woodside: Woodside Hills, on Aug 21, 2013

Salon.com is a progressive magazine enjoyed by many people in the Bay Area and across the country. Camille Paglia is a noted author, feminist, and social critic.

Salon.co has released an interview with Camille Paglia, You may agree with her or disagree with her but you will always find her to be thought provoking.

Web Link

One of the topics in this interview is her views on Hillary Rodham Clinton running for President. A few quotes:

"As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s. A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It's time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We've had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot. It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party's best chance. She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She's certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts."

"I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying "I take responsibility" for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately. The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election. The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was."

"Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It's even a key motif in "King Lear." As far as I'm concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, "What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?" Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win."

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Posted by Dist 4
a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Aug 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm

Oh, you-know-who. Nice selective editing.

Shall we go back and look at the concern tr***s that were trying to tell Dems that Obama was going to lose in 2012, that the Dems must drop him and run the great Hillary? They absolutely "loved" Hillary a year ago!

Remember these words?

*** "Only 167 days until Governor Romney is President Elect Romney.

*** "Liberals have no one to blame but themselves. If they had not thrown Hillary Clinton under the Bus in 2008 they would be in much better shape for this presdential election."

***Posted by Hank Lawrence, a resident of the Menlo Park: Sharon Heights neighborhood, on Jun 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm -

*** "The only hope the Democrats have now to hang on to the White House is for Obama to release his pledged delegates at the Charlotte Convention to Hillary Clinton. She is way smarter than Obama and has some decent organization skills to boot."


Concern tr******. Perfect example.


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Posted by Salon.com Reader
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Aug 22, 2013 at 8:53 am

Dear Dist 4

I fail to see the correlation between Almanac blogs that are over a year old and Camille Paglia's unedited opinions regarding Hillary Clinton. There was no selective editing as you falsely claim. If you go to the web site you can see they were quoted without any additions or redactions.

All Ms. Paglia wants is a Democratic candidate for President who is not damaged goods.


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Posted by sam
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 22, 2013 at 10:25 am

Clinton is a moderate, like Obama. Of course she will have leftists disagree. The 2 of t hem were the most moderate dems in 08.

Just like CC. Watch HL hold his nose when he has to vote for mr tummy ttuck.


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Posted by trusted sources
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Aug 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm

Obama can't be a moderate! Evidence shows he is a complete commie socialist pinko bent on destroying America! (according to the most trusted name in their own mind: Fox)

Just look what happened to American jobs since he took over at the end of Jan 2008 Web Link

Need anymore evidence of his socialism?

Web Link;

8000 to 15,000 = PURE COMMUNISM!


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Posted by Salon.com Reader
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Aug 24, 2013 at 9:27 am

Since January 2009 the country has added a net total of 270,000 full-time jobs, but it has added 1.9 million part-time jobs, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. During George W. Bush's presidency 1,095,000 jobs were created. On an annualized basis 60,000 full time jobs per year have been created during Obama's presidency and 136,875 full time jobs per year have been created during Bush's presidency. So, on an annualized basis for every job created during the Obama presidency 2.28 jobs were created during the Bush presidency.

Obama's health care law is pushing businesses to save money and push workers into shorter schedules to avoid the penalties that come from hiring more full-time workers, who under the law will be required to be covered with health care insurance.

Obama has created the worst economic recovery after a recession in recent history. All Income redistribution is doing is putting an incredible drag on the economy.



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Posted by real chart real numbers
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Aug 24, 2013 at 11:10 am

@salonreader

You are counting Obama's first four months (Jan - April) that included the WORST JOB LOSSES OF THE BUSH GREAT RECESSION and Obama took over on Jan 21. That's absurd cherry picking.

ANYONE WHO LOOKS at the monthly job chart sees the explanation.

Web Link

Take away those first months (or even January 2009, when Bush was president for most of the month) and your numbers fall apart.

Web Link

"Obama has created the worst economic recovery after a recession in recent history." (another Fox, Heartland distortion-meme) John Boenher promised in Nov 2010 that jobs were his top priority. He has since BLOCKED EVERY JOBS BILL.

Blocked every jobs bill, but had 30 useless repeal votes on the ACA which keeps insurance companies from dropping me for pre-existing conditions, and let's me keep my 22 yr old daughter on my plan.

The GOP has had 30 abortion votes, but no jobs bills.

That's the GOP's fault, not Obama. The GOP has chosen austerity over jobs. That's wrong, of course, but at least they own the decision. Austerity NEVER creates jobs, and clamps down on the economy and revenue growth. But since jobs create revenue, they are polar opposites.

Thus the importance of this chart:

Web Link





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Posted by Menlo Park Resident
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Aug 24, 2013 at 3:39 pm

On an annual basis Obama has produced less than half the jobs and two and a half times more debt than George Bush and somehow that makes Obama a great president?

The only thing Obama has done is create the most part time jobs in the history of the United States. Unfortunately almost all those part time jobs came from full time jobs.

Obama has done a great job of wrecking this country. I pity the next president and the under 30 crowd who were stupid enough to vote for him and will now have to shoulder the burden of increased taxes to pay off this massive debt the "Great One" has created.

Obama is a dedicated socialist and socialism is ruining our country.


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Posted by Atherton resident
a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Aug 24, 2013 at 8:37 pm

MenloParkResident: did you even LOOK at the charts the other posters linked to???

Obama was in office one week in January 2009, and you are faulting him for the 800,000 jobs lost from the Bush recession.

What about February 2009? 700,000 jobs lost as Obama entered his 9th day on the job, again, thanks to the Bush recession.

What about March 2009? Another 800,000 jobs lost due to Bush.

April 2009? Another 800,000 jobs lost due to Bush.

What Jobs Bill have the republicans passed?

Can you address the numbers, rather than the hyperbole that is the koolaid you drank? Web Link

"Obama is a dedicated socialist" Too funny! Obama has cut government jobs, increased private sector jobs (without republican help,) and helped us recover from the Bush recession.

Or address these numbers: 365-173, and 332-206. Americans get it. The koolaid drinking fringe obviously does not.


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Posted by Salon.com Reader
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Aug 25, 2013 at 9:43 am

If it happened on Obama's watch he owns it. The facts are the facts. Its ironic that the liberals blamed Bush for 9/11 when it was several months into his watch but don't accept responsibility for the jobs losses that took place under Obama's watch.

The Liberals' double standard is if it is good take credit for it even if it happened during a previous Republican Administration and if it is bad under a Democratic Administration then blame the previous Republican Administration for it.

Obama has made a Charlie Foxtrot out of the economy.



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Posted by factchecker
a resident of Menlo Park: Belle Haven
on Aug 25, 2013 at 10:31 am

- "If it happened on Obama's watch he owns it." @salon thinks @atherton is wrong with "Obama was in office one week in January 2009, and you are faulting him for the 800,000 jobs lost from the Bush recession."

Insane. That is just bat-something crazy to assign Bush's job losses of January, 2009 to Obama when he took over 1/22/09.

- "Its ironic that the liberals blamed Bush for 9/11" No. Wrong again, it isn't libs, but the Americans that blame Bush for staying on vacation for a month after being told by the CIA about 9/11 on 6 Aug 2001

Condi Rice, under oath: "I believe the title was, Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

- "is if it is good take credit for it even if it happened during a previous Republican Administration" There was 'good' under Bush? Worst economic collapse since the Great Depression? 2 failed, never ending wars? Katrina and Heckuva Job Brownie?

Oh, that's right, dastardly Obama took Bush's credit for getting bin Ladin!! Remember what Bush said about bin Laden? #1 priority, dead or alive, and all the mumbo-jumbo Bush bs?

- Bush on bin Laden "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." "I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 LESS THAN A YEAR after 9/11.

- "Obama has made a CF out of the economy." Again, dead wrong. See the chart Web Link Notice the Negative 8% GDP for the 4th quarter of 2008? How is that Obama's fault?

Bush was so bad, he is not even allowed by republicans to speak in public. Disagree? Show us the youtubes of Bush the Homecoming Hero personally addressing the 2008 and 2012 GOP conventions.

Worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. A ten year war on a country that did not attack the US costing 5000 lives and a couple trillion. Tax cuts for the wealthy in time of war. Katrina. 9/11. Failure to get bin Ladin. TARP. on and on....

Bush was a disaster. There hasn't been a good republican president since Ike. Nixon was a crook. Ford a joke. Reagan had the most corrupt administration in history, worse than Nixon. GHWBush? Ha - read my lips, 1 termer. No, the best republican values president since Ike was....

Bill Clinton: gave Bush a budget surplus. 23 million new jobs. Cut the size of every govt department from DOD to the EPA. Phenomenally popular with the American public. Slick Willy, the Big Dog: best republican president since TR.

Name a republican president who balanced a budget.

We'll wait.

Until then Web Link

The GOP house needs to pass jobs bills, and put Americans back to work.


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Posted by Salon.com Reader
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Aug 25, 2013 at 11:30 am

The House passed a jobs bill in 2012 by a 390 to 23 margin. You can check the Washington Post, the darling of the liberal establishment.

Web Link

Then it went to the Senate where Democrat Harry Reed killed it. So if you have a problem with the Jobs Bill which had overwhelming bi-partisan support in the House just look to the Democratic Party who has killed the jobs bill.


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Posted by factchecker
a resident of Menlo Park: Belle Haven
on Aug 25, 2013 at 12:16 pm

Too funny!!

"The House on Thursday approved legislation that proponents say will make it easier for small businesses to launch initial public offerings, solicit new investors and, EVENTUALLY, hire more workers."

....that's a JOBS bill?!?!?

more from your link: "Republican leaders couldn't say how many jobs the JOBS Act would actually create."

A jobs bill that doesn't create jobs. Leave it to a republican to think that is a good idea! They don't of course, it's using the same tactics as some republicans use - misnomers, like a motorcycle safety bill that restricts abortion. Web Link

Again, according to your link, the GOP House sucks on jobs bills, while the Senate did the heavy lifting: "The Senate began voting Thursday on a two-year, $109 billion deal that would create or sustain almost 3 million jobs in the next two years, according to its backers, which include Democrats, Republicans, labor unions and business groups."

Boneher immediately when back to more abortion and useless repeal votes to please the far right fringe.

America needs jobs, not a GOP bill that loosens regulations on the SEC. Loosen regulations on the investor class right after the whole banking system put the country underwater in 2008. Brilliant.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 25, 2013 at 7:04 pm

The Dems have had great presidents since Ike.

Kennedy - Bay of Pigs.

Johnson - bogus escalation of the Vietnam War. 55,000 Americans dead.

Carter - Unmitigated disaster. Too many things to enumerate. I'll just say 20% inflation rate.

Clinton - "I did not have sex with that woman." Could have killed Bin Laden before Al Quaida attacked us, but didn't.

Neither the Democrats or the Republicans have anything to crow about in terms of the quality of their presidents.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 25, 2013 at 7:11 pm

almost forgot. Clinton signed the legislation the set up the melt down of the economy and brought on the Bush recession. Ya, he did a great job.


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Posted by Elliott B
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Aug 26, 2013 at 2:23 pm

Trash Clinton all you want.

23 million jobs and handed Bush a surplus. Americans get it. No republican even qualifies to be in the discussion.

Compare the Clinton and Reagan administrations (130 indictments)


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Posted by Monica
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Aug 26, 2013 at 3:29 pm

Bill Clinton won't just be remembered for me; he will be remembered as he president who allowed Al Qaeda to grow from a rag tag team to a formidable terrorist organization. It is unfortunate that given at least 6 attacks on the United States interests Clinton was too cowardly to take Al Qaeda on.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm

Elliot:

you can ignore the fact that Clinton set in motion the wheels of destruction of our economy all you want, it doesn't change the fact even though he left office with a surplus, he had sown the seeds of destruction of that surplus.


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