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on Nov 15, 2012
When Mr.Wiest says: he believes the police union members "just want to have a fair sit-down" when it comes time for negotiations", is he implying that they haven't had fair negotiations in the past?
It seems that our Atherton police officers are and have been very well compensated and treated fairly. Unfortunately, there is no way to sustain the level of pensions that have been provided to public employees for years. I hope our newest council member doesn't equate a discussion of pension reduction with unfair treatment.
Unfortunately, the endorsement and money entails towing the line for the cops. They paid for Wiest and Lewis' campaigns for a reason: they believed they would be best off (i.e., emerge with the best contract) if they were elected. It's elementary, my Dear Watson.
It's unclear to me whether the Measure F library vote was a vote solely against a library in the park, up to the size specified in the 2012 EIR, PRIOR to doing town-wide master planning OR if the vote was a vote against a libary of any size in the park ever.
Can anyone clarify?
Measure F: "Should the Town of Atherton construct a new library in Holbrook-Palmer Park using funds dedicated for library purposes only, by replacing the Main House and some surrounding patios and walkways?"
I think it is no to any size, ever.
Some say the Town is divided. The library vote shows the Town is actually united.
Some 70% agreed the that the "McKeithen Community Center" was a terrible idea.
Atherton isn't divided. The residents woke up to this nightmare and rectified it with good old fashioned Democracy.
Widmer, Dobbie, and McKeithen squandered their political capital on a costly attempt to permanently alter Atherton's only open space. The price they paid includes two years of Dobbie and Widmer being in the minority. Come 2014, they will be voted out.
It is possible that McKeithen could run in 2014 and that in 2015 the council could put the library in the park back on a ballot.
Mend, of course it's possible McKeithen could run again, but what is driving your statement? Anything is possible. Didi Fisher could run. Charles Marsala could run. ANYONE could run and any council could approve a ballot measure for any proposal whatsoever.
Sounds as if you want to continue the scare-mongering tactics that were used to such great effect in the election. But the election is over. Maybe you should give it a rest for two years.
Clarification Needed asked a question if a library could still be built in the park. At first I thought no, but as "get real" states, at any time the council can go back to the voters.
Who are these people? Are they supposed to be very important people?
One of the reasons I posed the question is because it's unclear whether those who voted against measure F did so because:
a)they don't want to spend ANY funds on a library ANYWHERE, or
b)they don't want to build such a BIG LIBARY ANYWHERE or,
c)they don't want such a BIG LIBRARY in the PARK, or
d)they don't want ANY LIBRARY in the PARK, or
e)they don't want anything done WITHOUT a MASTER PLAN
I'm concerned that those who voted "no on F" due to reason d), are assuming that all who voted "no" did so for that reason. I HOPE OUR ATHERTON CITY COUNCIL REALIZES THIS ISN'T THE CASE.
The "no of F" vote, definitely CAN'T BE TAKEN AS A MANDATE that Atherton citizen's want a new library in the town center, nor can it be taken as a mandate that citizens don't want any library in the park ever.
it seems the only clear message that can be derived from this vote is that citizens don't want the library as described in the EIR built in the park now, prior to master planning.
Looks like a survey is needed.
The ballot measure should have been more direct. I think the petition was for a vote-"Do you want a Libary in the Park?" Yes or No.
From the 2007 Grand Jury Report on Atherton's Council/City manager problems. Deja Vu all over again. Guess WMD never read the report.
The Grand Jury concludes that:
Strident public statements by Council members and appointed officials inhibit the management independence that is necessary to ensure effectiveness and constructive criticism within Town administration.
There is an opportunity for the Council and the new Town Manager to address the causes of the recent turmoil in the Town in a constructive manner.
Personnel openings in the Town's management will provide an opportunity todevelop a more cohesive management team.
The Council of the Town of Atherton should:
Review their procedures for safeguarding the independence of the Townmanagement team, so that department heads and staff can freely investigate,discover and report any perceived improprieties or inefficiencies that may arise.
Revise those procedures as necessary to make them more effective.
Establish a new policy whereby Council members, Town staff and appointed officials are encouraged to carefully consider the ramifications of their public pronouncements when sensitive Town matters are being investigated.
Meet periodically with the Town Manager to ensure an ongoing mutual understanding of the respective roles of the Town Council and Town Manager.
Here is an Almanac story I found. At the council meeting most residents and Council members Lewis and Carlson wanted the ballot measure to allow them to vote on the statement for No Library in the Park.
Atherton: Library issue heads for ballot after heated debate
by Renee Batti
By a 4-1 vote, the council approved what was probably the most controversial matter on the agenda: the language for a November ballot measure on whether a new library should be built in Holbrook-Palmer Park.
The approved ballot language is: "Should the town of Atherton construct a new library in Holbrook-Palmer Park using funds dedicated for library purposes only by replacing the Main House and some surrounding patios and walkways?"
Councilwoman Elizabeth Lewis voted against the language, arguing that it wasn't straightforward enough.
Library in the park?
Ballot language recommended for council approval by City Attorney Bill Conners asked voters if the town should "construct a new library in Holbrook-Palmer Park using funds dedicated for library purposes only, and not using any existing park open space for this purpose."
Council members Carlson and Lewis, as well as numerous residents who addressed the council, wanted the references to funding and open space deleted, arguing that the question should be: Should a library be built in the park yes or no?
Thanks for sharing the article. Not sure whether you were being sarcastic or not when mentioning further up "time for a survey", but I do think the town could benefit from feedback on surveys IF they were able to construct specific, well defined, unbiased questions and get responses from a broad swath of the community.
There is NO need to reinvent the wheel on surveys - there is a standardized and well tested citizen survey instrument and methodology:
Viewpoint - Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Letter: Challenge for council to take citizen survey
Whoever is elected to the Atherton City Council, now is the time for our five elected representatives to set a new direction and standard of governance. We no longer want or can afford 3-2 votes and a divided and an uncivil council.
Our five elected representatives should seek unanimity on every issue that comes before them and demand unanimity on the important issues.
A superb place to start would be for the council to unanimously vote to participate in the National Citizen Survey, which has been widely tested in communities around the nation. The survey is a low-cost citizen survey service for local governments. Tested, flexible, affordable, and efficient, the NCS would allow Atherton to survey citizen opinion for program planning, budgeting, goal-setting and performance measurement.
The council would select from a set of standard questions to assess citizen opinion about basic services and community life. Additional customized questions allow the council to tailor the survey to our unique needs.
Our elected officials can use the results to set spending priorities. The town manager can use the results to measure progress and chart future steps. Staff can use the results to improve service delivery.
The survey program includes three mailings to 1,200 randomly selected households, which include the pre-survey postcard and two mailings of the survey instrument. A margin of error (95 percent confidence interval) of no more than plus or minus five percentage points around any percent.
I am so convinced of the need for a new approach to our town governance that I will personally pay for the cost of participation in the National Citizens' Survey provided such participation is approved unanimously by our new City Council.
Peter Carpenter Larch Drive, Atherton
After I found the Alamanc story, I think there are two issues.
1. For months WMD ignored the Park and Recreation Commission, dozens of residents, and two other members of the city council asking for a straight up and down vote- yes or no- on a library in the park. Size was not an issue.
At council meetings the residents that did not want a library in the park stated they would live by the town vote, but they wanted a straight yes or no vote and be done with it.
2. Now with a 70% no vote, to want to restrict a park library to being over 10,000 square feet likely does not meet the expectations of the 2,000 no votes.
I do hope that the council places the vote on the agenda and you can state your opinion and see how much support there is to press ahead with a smaller library in the park.
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